Comments on: Yahoo apologizes about China, Shi Tao case http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/ New Media researcher Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:57:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Can the Olympics Knock Down the Great Firewall? | British Columbia Welcome U http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-235014 Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:25:36 +0000 http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-235014 [...] Meanwhile internet firms (read: Google or Yahoo) desperate for a slice of the huge (and rapidly growing) have been only too happy to self-censor, or even provide sensitive personal information to the Chinese authorities, in exchange for access to trade in China. The high-profile case where Yahoo helped put Shi Tao in prison for 10 years by revealing his private emails to the CCP (and then lying about it) is well covered by Andrew Li - this is his special subject, so read up more about the GFW here too. [...] […] Meanwhile internet firms (read: Google or Yahoo) desperate for a slice of the huge (and rapidly growing) have been only too happy to self-censor, or even provide sensitive personal information to the Chinese authorities, in exchange for access to trade in China. The high-profile case where Yahoo helped put Shi Tao in prison for 10 years by revealing his private emails to the CCP (and then lying about it) is well covered by Andrew Li - this is his special subject, so read up more about the GFW here too. […]

]]> by: Can the Olympics Knock Down the Great Firewall? « Beijing Olympics Blog http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-146599 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:58:58 +0000 http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-146599 [...] Meanwhile internet firms (read: Google or Yahoo) desperate for a slice of the huge (and rapidly growing) have been only too happy to self-censor, or even provide sensitive personal information to the Chinese authorities, in exchange for access to trade in China. The high-profile case where Yahoo helped put Shi Tao in prison for 10 years by revealing his private emails to the CCP (and then lying about it) is well covered by Andrew Li - this is his special subject, so read up more about the GFW here too. [...] […] Meanwhile internet firms (read: Google or Yahoo) desperate for a slice of the huge (and rapidly growing) have been only too happy to self-censor, or even provide sensitive personal information to the Chinese authorities, in exchange for access to trade in China. The high-profile case where Yahoo helped put Shi Tao in prison for 10 years by revealing his private emails to the CCP (and then lying about it) is well covered by Andrew Li - this is his special subject, so read up more about the GFW here too. […]

]]> by: Andrew http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-89423 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:43:32 +0000 http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-89423 Phil, to the best of my knowledge what you say is not true. If you have documentation to show otherwise, I'd be interested to see it, but the story so far has been Yahoo! China's mail servers were indeed inside the PRC, but it was Yahoo Holdings (Hong Kong) that was the actual holding ocmpany of the China-based operations and they were the ones named on the order. Charles, as you said, and ESWN has pointed out, you can criticize Yahoo for many things including whther or not they should operate servers with personal information at all inside PRC, but in the end, if they choose to do so they have to obey the sovereign laws of the country. Just like the telcos in the US are under scrutiny for handing over private data to the Feds, and are being considered for retroactive immunity. Phil, to the best of my knowledge what you say is not true. If you have documentation to show otherwise, I’d be interested to see it, but the story so far has been Yahoo! China’s mail servers were indeed inside the PRC, but it was Yahoo Holdings (Hong Kong) that was the actual holding ocmpany of the China-based operations and they were the ones named on the order.

Charles, as you said, and ESWN has pointed out, you can criticize Yahoo for many things including whther or not they should operate servers with personal information at all inside PRC, but in the end, if they choose to do so they have to obey the sovereign laws of the country. Just like the telcos in the US are under scrutiny for handing over private data to the Feds, and are being considered for retroactive immunity.

]]> by: Charles Liu http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-89250 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:16:14 +0000 http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-89250 Wait, are journalists above the law? Shi Tao violated China's security laws on classified information. Such laws exists in US as well. And Yahoo didn't do anything AT&T didn't do for the US government when criminal investigation demanded survilance. Do you want examples? Wait, are journalists above the law? Shi Tao violated China’s security laws on classified information. Such laws exists in US as well.

And Yahoo didn’t do anything AT&T didn’t do for the US government when criminal investigation demanded survilance.

Do you want examples?

]]> by: Phil http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-86219 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:30:09 +0000 http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2007/11/01/yahoo-apologizes-about-china-shi-tao-case/#comment-86219 The thing that bugs me and which seems not to be talked about is that although the demands were made of Yahoo! China in China, the information was held in Hong Kong by Yahoo! Hong Kong. Last I looked we were separate legal jurisdictions. Is this not actually almost akin to asking Yahoo! China for information on US or UK citizens and expecting the given country's Yahoo! office to come through? The thing that bugs me and which seems not to be talked about is that although the demands were made of Yahoo! China in China, the information was held in Hong Kong by Yahoo! Hong Kong. Last I looked we were separate legal jurisdictions. Is this not actually almost akin to asking Yahoo! China for information on US or UK citizens and expecting the given country’s Yahoo! office to come through?

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