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		<title>by: zodiaclove</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-238662</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello 
I do not agree with what you wrote really.... 
please explain in detail a bit more for me ;d 
 
 
cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello<br />
I do not agree with what you wrote really&#8230;.<br />
please explain in detail a bit more for me ;d </p>
<p>cheers
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		<title>by: Wikipedia_en_chino &#171; wikipedia backup</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-150298</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-150298</guid>
					<description>[...] ↑ Chinese Wikipedia&amp;#8217;s Surge in Growth. Comentario en el blog de Andrew Lih (en inglés). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ↑ Chinese Wikipedia&#8217;s Surge in Growth. Comentario en el blog de Andrew Lih (en inglés). [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Tia&#8217;s MJ @ HKU &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia in Mianland China</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-101064</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-101064</guid>
					<description>[...] The CCP gives out the order and internet services providers implements with different provinces and cities at various levels. A former-professor as well as a wikipedian, Andrew Lih, has provided a clear chart to show the access at different locations during the 2006 blocked-unblocked-blocked period. Lih also provided statistics and graphs charting the number of new users, suggesting that the blocking had restrained and damaged the development of Chinese Wikipedia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The CCP gives out the order and internet services providers implements with different provinces and cities at various levels. A former-professor as well as a wikipedian, Andrew Lih, has provided a clear chart to show the access at different locations during the 2006 blocked-unblocked-blocked period. Lih also provided statistics and graphs charting the number of new users, suggesting that the blocking had restrained and damaged the development of Chinese Wikipedia. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: wikipedia</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-8406</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 02:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-8406</guid>
					<description>Wikipedia is the key to most success online, when it comes to collabritive content adding. I have spent many hours writing articles for Jimmy Wales and am very happy with this project. I am based in Seminole FL close to the wikipedia offices in St Petersburg. I love contributing!

Happy New Year Bloggers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is the key to most success online, when it comes to collabritive content adding. I have spent many hours writing articles for Jimmy Wales and am very happy with this project. I am based in Seminole FL close to the wikipedia offices in St Petersburg. I love contributing!</p>
<p>Happy New Year Bloggers!
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		<title>by: Dan Michaels lurifakserier og andre skriverier &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia in China</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4905</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4905</guid>
					<description>[...] 11:27 (24h)  The blocking of Wikipedia in China seems to have been raised! Andrew Lih brings this good news for the chinese internet community. For long time, Chinese governments has been very hard on community-contributing or community-driven websites (&amp;#8221;read-write-sites&amp;#8221;). Beeing active in a local Amnesty group some years ago, I remember we worked with a case where a young man was detained for several years without a sentence. The reason was his website. The main content on the site was not problematic, but a guest mentioned the 1989-massacre in a comment-field. In other words, including open comment-fields on your website in China is dangerous, and then, what about leaving the whole website open for editing by anyone (like Wikipedia)? Keeping that in mind, it will be interesting to see what is written about Chinese history in Chinese Wikipedia (well, at least it would be if I understood Chinese). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 11:27 (24h)  The blocking of Wikipedia in China seems to have been raised! Andrew Lih brings this good news for the chinese internet community. For long time, Chinese governments has been very hard on community-contributing or community-driven websites (&#8221;read-write-sites&#8221;). Beeing active in a local Amnesty group some years ago, I remember we worked with a case where a young man was detained for several years without a sentence. The reason was his website. The main content on the site was not problematic, but a guest mentioned the 1989-massacre in a comment-field. In other words, including open comment-fields on your website in China is dangerous, and then, what about leaving the whole website open for editing by anyone (like Wikipedia)? Keeping that in mind, it will be interesting to see what is written about Chinese history in Chinese Wikipedia (well, at least it would be if I understood Chinese). [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: WikiAngela &#187; Wikipedia fully unblocked in China and experiencing rapid growth</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4853</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4853</guid>
					<description>[...] Good news for Wikipedia and China - Andrew Lih reports that the partial unblock of Wikipedia in China is now a full unblock and Wikipedia is accessible from everywhere in China. He also has graphs showing a surge of new users. Over 1000 new users are signing up for the Chinese Wikipedia per day since the block was lifted! This makes it the second fastest growing Wikipedia in terms of user registrations. Article growth is also up, and they celebrated reaching 100,000 articles this week. It&amp;#8217;s almost four years since the English Wikipedia hit the same milestone. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Good news for Wikipedia and China - Andrew Lih reports that the partial unblock of Wikipedia in China is now a full unblock and Wikipedia is accessible from everywhere in China. He also has graphs showing a surge of new users. Over 1000 new users are signing up for the Chinese Wikipedia per day since the block was lifted! This makes it the second fastest growing Wikipedia in terms of user registrations. Article growth is also up, and they celebrated reaching 100,000 articles this week. It&#8217;s almost four years since the English Wikipedia hit the same milestone. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: shmekerosu</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4428</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4428</guid>
					<description>Today China blocked again WIKIpedia ! as seen on tv... I read also on CNN.com website. You can fight censorship via proxy sites like: http://www.surfinter.net and http://www.hidemyway.com - it is easy and free, anonymous and also hides your IP address. You can also access wikipedia, myspace or other blocked sites from work or school. Also for myspace.com use http://www.msproxy.net ! Enjoy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today China blocked again WIKIpedia ! as seen on tv&#8230; I read also on CNN.com website. You can fight censorship via proxy sites like: <a href='http://www.surfinter.net' rel='nofollow'>http://www.surfinter.net</a> and <a href='http://www.hidemyway.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.hidemyway.com</a> - it is easy and free, anonymous and also hides your IP address. You can also access wikipedia, myspace or other blocked sites from work or school. Also for myspace.com use <a href='http://www.msproxy.net' rel='nofollow'>http://www.msproxy.net</a> ! Enjoy
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		<title>by: Wikipedia Weekly&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia Weekly 5 - Arbcom, WP 0.5 and &#8220;Wiki&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4255</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4255</guid>
					<description>[...] Growth rising in Chinese Wikipedia [...]</description>
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		<title>by: shizhao</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4253</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Brian Glanz</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/11/13/chinese-wikipedias-surge-in-growth/#comment-4249</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It would be fascinating to see more evidence online of what people in Mainland China believe to be true about the officially mistold stories in Chinese history. 

Most people I've personally known living in Mainland China, if we've had this conversation, are of one mind on issues like what happened in Tiananmen Square or what life was like during the Cultural Revolution. Whether through study abroad or reading online, or in some cases because they had a personal experience close to this history, they know the party's version of events is false. 

For younger adults, some of them old enough now to be professors, they have had to unlearn what they were taught all their lives in Chinese schools. It is usually heartbreaking and difficult to accept that the patriotic versions they had learned were lies. I wonder whether ZH Wikipedia, even if it were perfectly accurate in its accounting of the facts, whether it would be enough to shake the beliefs of common Chinese who don't yet know their nation and their schools have lied to them. They love their country at least as much as anyone else loves their own. Bearers of facts struggle to overcome beliefs, whatever their veracity. 

I'm not in contact with a representative swath of the people, obviously enough. My experience is anecdotal and biased in favor of academics and business-types in big cities, who have had much more exposure to the rest of the world than an average Chinese citizen. When I say that most of the people I've spoken with on the Mainland know better than what they were taught in school, I still don't know how true that is for most Chinese. I have reason to suspect that the large majority of regular Chinese people do not know the facts of the uglier parts of their own history. (As a qualification of this, I suppose the same is true to a lesser degree in nations with greater freedom of speech, too.)

I've been surprised many times over by Chinese students who are in the U.S. for the first time. At Cornell University over the years, I met dozens of students and scholars from the Mainland who honestly believed the party versions of their history. It was galling to see celebrated scholars insisting that the Cultural Revolution essentially didn't happen, or that to whatever extent it did, academics et al. deserved to be sent down, etc. I've listened to otherwise brilliant grad students maintain that freedoms of speech and protest should and will eventually be banned globally. These ideas are deep-sunken and insidious; multiplied by more than a billion minds, I fear they do legitimately threaten our global intellectual future. 

Now to what extent you support freedom of speech may in itself be a great debate with valid, varied opinions. In Germany, much of what would otherwise be free speech is illegal when it's Nazi. The same hateful speech in the U.S. would be legal and protected by our Constitution. Are either or both of us &quot;right&quot; considering our different circumstances? Is it possible to forge a global standard for justice with respect to free speech, or do local circumstances warrant variation, and by how much? 

About the facts of history however, there should be no debate. It is not my &quot;opinion&quot; that millions died due to Mao's policies, which he maintained for his personal benefit even as he was informed of their impact. It isn't a matter of opinion at all: that's what happened. 

I suggest therein is the penumbra of justice with respect to free speech. Speech should be as free as it needs to be that common people can know common facts. Let me restate even more briefly: Speech must not be so limited that truth is misplaced. 

Then, apply that standard to China. Because I can tell you that otherwise brilliant grad students from Mainland China honestly believe what is not true about their nation's history, I would say freedom of speech has been too limited in China, whatever anyone's opinion about where exactly lines should be drawn. 

That Wikipedia has in place great controls, moderators, and l'esprit of truth and facts prevailing, may not be enough. ZH Wikipedia could be overwhelmed with thousands or even millions of users who know primarily what the party taught them. If it is left open to the people, this global, public record of Chinese knowledge could stand as an historic test of truth and human manipulation. BG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be fascinating to see more evidence online of what people in Mainland China believe to be true about the officially mistold stories in Chinese history. </p>
<p>Most people I&#8217;ve personally known living in Mainland China, if we&#8217;ve had this conversation, are of one mind on issues like what happened in Tiananmen Square or what life was like during the Cultural Revolution. Whether through study abroad or reading online, or in some cases because they had a personal experience close to this history, they know the party&#8217;s version of events is false. </p>
<p>For younger adults, some of them old enough now to be professors, they have had to unlearn what they were taught all their lives in Chinese schools. It is usually heartbreaking and difficult to accept that the patriotic versions they had learned were lies. I wonder whether ZH Wikipedia, even if it were perfectly accurate in its accounting of the facts, whether it would be enough to shake the beliefs of common Chinese who don&#8217;t yet know their nation and their schools have lied to them. They love their country at least as much as anyone else loves their own. Bearers of facts struggle to overcome beliefs, whatever their veracity. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in contact with a representative swath of the people, obviously enough. My experience is anecdotal and biased in favor of academics and business-types in big cities, who have had much more exposure to the rest of the world than an average Chinese citizen. When I say that most of the people I&#8217;ve spoken with on the Mainland know better than what they were taught in school, I still don&#8217;t know how true that is for most Chinese. I have reason to suspect that the large majority of regular Chinese people do not know the facts of the uglier parts of their own history. (As a qualification of this, I suppose the same is true to a lesser degree in nations with greater freedom of speech, too.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been surprised many times over by Chinese students who are in the U.S. for the first time. At Cornell University over the years, I met dozens of students and scholars from the Mainland who honestly believed the party versions of their history. It was galling to see celebrated scholars insisting that the Cultural Revolution essentially didn&#8217;t happen, or that to whatever extent it did, academics et al. deserved to be sent down, etc. I&#8217;ve listened to otherwise brilliant grad students maintain that freedoms of speech and protest should and will eventually be banned globally. These ideas are deep-sunken and insidious; multiplied by more than a billion minds, I fear they do legitimately threaten our global intellectual future. </p>
<p>Now to what extent you support freedom of speech may in itself be a great debate with valid, varied opinions. In Germany, much of what would otherwise be free speech is illegal when it&#8217;s Nazi. The same hateful speech in the U.S. would be legal and protected by our Constitution. Are either or both of us &#8220;right&#8221; considering our different circumstances? Is it possible to forge a global standard for justice with respect to free speech, or do local circumstances warrant variation, and by how much? </p>
<p>About the facts of history however, there should be no debate. It is not my &#8220;opinion&#8221; that millions died due to Mao&#8217;s policies, which he maintained for his personal benefit even as he was informed of their impact. It isn&#8217;t a matter of opinion at all: that&#8217;s what happened. </p>
<p>I suggest therein is the penumbra of justice with respect to free speech. Speech should be as free as it needs to be that common people can know common facts. Let me restate even more briefly: Speech must not be so limited that truth is misplaced. </p>
<p>Then, apply that standard to China. Because I can tell you that otherwise brilliant grad students from Mainland China honestly believe what is not true about their nation&#8217;s history, I would say freedom of speech has been too limited in China, whatever anyone&#8217;s opinion about where exactly lines should be drawn. </p>
<p>That Wikipedia has in place great controls, moderators, and l&#8217;esprit of truth and facts prevailing, may not be enough. ZH Wikipedia could be overwhelmed with thousands or even millions of users who know primarily what the party taught them. If it is left open to the people, this global, public record of Chinese knowledge could stand as an historic test of truth and human manipulation. BG
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