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	<title>Comments on: Chart: Wikipedia access in China</title>
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		<title>by: Pwhndvve</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-213929</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Alyssa</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-201493</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Always I cannot retrieve the Wikipedia URL of chinese version, but sometimes I can still retrieve the cached version.
However, when it comes to the issue on &quot;China blocked her people's access to Wikipedia&quot;, even the English websites are blocked and some English comments are deleted.
I can hardly imagine Wikipedia would become so political and sensitive, regarded as &quot;it-which-cannot-be-referred&quot; in China.
Why...?I am so confused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always I cannot retrieve the Wikipedia URL of chinese version, but sometimes I can still retrieve the cached version.<br />
However, when it comes to the issue on &#8220;China blocked her people&#8217;s access to Wikipedia&#8221;, even the English websites are blocked and some English comments are deleted.<br />
I can hardly imagine Wikipedia would become so political and sensitive, regarded as &#8220;it-which-cannot-be-referred&#8221; in China.<br />
Why&#8230;?I am so confused&#8230;
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		<title>by: Tia&#8217;s MJ @ HKU &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia in Mianland China</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-101063</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-101063</guid>
					<description>[...] The CCP gives out the order and internet services providers implements with different provinces and cities at various levels. A former-professor as well as a wikipedian, Andrew Lih, has provided a clear chart to show the access at different locations during the 2006 blocked-unblocked-blocked period. Lih also provided statistics and graphs charting the number of new users, suggesting that the blocking had restrained and damaged the development of Chinese Wikipedia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The CCP gives out the order and internet services providers implements with different provinces and cities at various levels. A former-professor as well as a wikipedian, Andrew Lih, has provided a clear chart to show the access at different locations during the 2006 blocked-unblocked-blocked period. Lih also provided statistics and graphs charting the number of new users, suggesting that the blocking had restrained and damaged the development of Chinese Wikipedia. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Visitor303</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-53591</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I could not find this site in the Search Engines index</description>
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		<title>by: Visitor544</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-53589</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have visited your site 782-times</description>
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		<title>by: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-8728</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-8728</guid>
					<description>For the record, I've met many of the admins of ZH.wikipedia.org from HK, PRC and Taiwan, and they are more similar than dissimilar. Most of the prominent PRC-based admins are in sync with the values of NPOV in the greater Wikipedia community, so I would tend to doubt that Wikipedia has any serious overrunning by propagandists. But as Wikipedians have expressed before -- the community welcomes folks who are obviously of one viewpoint, if they can write neutrally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I&#8217;ve met many of the admins of ZH.wikipedia.org from HK, PRC and Taiwan, and they are more similar than dissimilar. Most of the prominent PRC-based admins are in sync with the values of NPOV in the greater Wikipedia community, so I would tend to doubt that Wikipedia has any serious overrunning by propagandists. But as Wikipedians have expressed before &#8212; the community welcomes folks who are obviously of one viewpoint, if they can write neutrally.
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		<title>by: who are the Chinese wikipedia administrators?</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-8643</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-8643</guid>
					<description>&quot;But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves.&quot; from [http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/29/news/wiki.php Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history]

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I know, right now, those chinese spy moderators must be really hoping that they can delete this topic asap. I posted a similar comment on the chinese page, it was IMMEDIATLY deleted. and all my other comments which are not related to this topic, which are very relevant to those topics were also deleted, and somehow those chinese spy moderators also made them &quot;disappeared&quot; as if they did not delete anything at all. and then they banned me for &quot;vandalism.&quot;

It is a known fact that China blocked its people's access to wikipedia. however, i checked the chinese page, they have total of 29 moderators that are in China! 6 from beijing, 6 from guangzhou, 6 from shanghai, etc. There are more moderators from China than from any other parts of the world. however, if the chinese are blocked from getting on here, how can those Chinese moderators still have time and resources to moderate the chinese wikipedia? isn't that odd?

you may have heard about [[Shi Tao]], the chinese government put him in jail for 10 years because the government was able to find his location thru a single IP address which was reported by yahoo. those 29 moderators' are listed publicly on the chinese page. So it is quite obvious that the chinese government must have those 29 mainland chinese moderators' personal informaiton. I highly suspect that most of the chinese mainland moderators are spies sent by the Chinese communists. It is a banned web site, what kind of people are willing to edit a web site that is banned by his or her own government especially in china?!

I can probably safely say that there are more people using the chinese version from Hong Kong and Taiwan than people from [[mainland China]]. however, [[Hongkong]] only has 13, [[Taiwan]] has 17. isn't that odd? further, during my time on that site, as far as I know, no moderator from hong kong banned or deleted my contributions, and there are 13 of them. if I really did something wrong, shouldn't they also be able to ban or delete? and who can gurantee that those moderators who are listed under other country names are not really from mainland china?

Another thing, it is forbidden to gather without government permit in China. however, that chinese site recently even had two meetings in capital - [[Beijing]] and in city of guangzhou. there are constant reports about police harassing and spying on people who secretly gathered in churches which are not approved by the government, etc. so there is no way that the government doesn't spy on those wikipedia meetings. It is just shocking to see those moderators so &quot;bravely&quot; advertising on the public page. and when I posted a question about my doubt, it was immediatly deleted as usual. those comment pages were also put into protection.

i am not insance or crazy. It is also a known fact that china has spies in taiwan. it seems to me that the moderator from taiwan jasonzhoucn is also very &quot;communistly&quot; suspicious. one time, i added to only two extra links to an article of the chinese golden shield project, he immediatly deleted them without a reason. he also deleted the extra information that i have added for some of the articles.

i am not crazy, or delusional. however, think about it, the chinese have to use special programs, proxy servers in order to get on this page. and even if they have high speed, the speed won't be fast enough. who would have the patience even to edit those pages if the internet connection is not fast enough? there are 13 billion chinese, how many of them can actually get on here easily? so how is that possible that there are so many mainland chinese moderators?! and since the majority of Chinese can't get on this site, you would expect that there are lots of articles pro taiwan's independence, but there are not a lot. And the article about &quot;Two Chinas&quot; was actually deleted TWICE in just November. And one of the moderator later on said that he did not find any history about its delettion at all?!

The reason that i am suspecting is because of what happened to me recently. i tried to edit the page for the &quot;peopel's republic of china&quot;. even today, that article does not have a single word about human rights and falun gong. i added those two items, immediatly a mainland chinese moderator deleted my contribution, then put that article into protection. i have added many similar contents in other articles. most of them have been deleted by those mainland chinese moderators.

when i tried to voice my suspision and my comments on those community forums, those moderators immediatly deleted them. then they banned me , accused me doing &quot;vandalism?!&quot;

with 29 chinese mainlander moderators, that site is basically controlled by the chinese spies sent by the communist party. they do not allow people to add anything that are bad about the chinese communist party. so here i am, I don't know if this is the proper place to voice my opinion. i seriously think that someone should take a look into this matter.

&quot;But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves.&quot; [1] This indeed confirmed my suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But on sensitive questions of China&#8217;s modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves.&#8221; from [http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/29/news/wiki.php Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history]</p>
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I know, right now, those chinese spy moderators must be really hoping that they can delete this topic asap. I posted a similar comment on the chinese page, it was IMMEDIATLY deleted. and all my other comments which are not related to this topic, which are very relevant to those topics were also deleted, and somehow those chinese spy moderators also made them &#8220;disappeared&#8221; as if they did not delete anything at all. and then they banned me for &#8220;vandalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a known fact that China blocked its people&#8217;s access to wikipedia. however, i checked the chinese page, they have total of 29 moderators that are in China! 6 from beijing, 6 from guangzhou, 6 from shanghai, etc. There are more moderators from China than from any other parts of the world. however, if the chinese are blocked from getting on here, how can those Chinese moderators still have time and resources to moderate the chinese wikipedia? isn&#8217;t that odd?</p>
<p>you may have heard about [[Shi Tao]], the chinese government put him in jail for 10 years because the government was able to find his location thru a single IP address which was reported by yahoo. those 29 moderators&#8217; are listed publicly on the chinese page. So it is quite obvious that the chinese government must have those 29 mainland chinese moderators&#8217; personal informaiton. I highly suspect that most of the chinese mainland moderators are spies sent by the Chinese communists. It is a banned web site, what kind of people are willing to edit a web site that is banned by his or her own government especially in china?!</p>
<p>I can probably safely say that there are more people using the chinese version from Hong Kong and Taiwan than people from [[mainland China]]. however, [[Hongkong]] only has 13, [[Taiwan]] has 17. isn&#8217;t that odd? further, during my time on that site, as far as I know, no moderator from hong kong banned or deleted my contributions, and there are 13 of them. if I really did something wrong, shouldn&#8217;t they also be able to ban or delete? and who can gurantee that those moderators who are listed under other country names are not really from mainland china?</p>
<p>Another thing, it is forbidden to gather without government permit in China. however, that chinese site recently even had two meetings in capital - [[Beijing]] and in city of guangzhou. there are constant reports about police harassing and spying on people who secretly gathered in churches which are not approved by the government, etc. so there is no way that the government doesn&#8217;t spy on those wikipedia meetings. It is just shocking to see those moderators so &#8220;bravely&#8221; advertising on the public page. and when I posted a question about my doubt, it was immediatly deleted as usual. those comment pages were also put into protection.</p>
<p>i am not insance or crazy. It is also a known fact that china has spies in taiwan. it seems to me that the moderator from taiwan jasonzhoucn is also very &#8220;communistly&#8221; suspicious. one time, i added to only two extra links to an article of the chinese golden shield project, he immediatly deleted them without a reason. he also deleted the extra information that i have added for some of the articles.</p>
<p>i am not crazy, or delusional. however, think about it, the chinese have to use special programs, proxy servers in order to get on this page. and even if they have high speed, the speed won&#8217;t be fast enough. who would have the patience even to edit those pages if the internet connection is not fast enough? there are 13 billion chinese, how many of them can actually get on here easily? so how is that possible that there are so many mainland chinese moderators?! and since the majority of Chinese can&#8217;t get on this site, you would expect that there are lots of articles pro taiwan&#8217;s independence, but there are not a lot. And the article about &#8220;Two Chinas&#8221; was actually deleted TWICE in just November. And one of the moderator later on said that he did not find any history about its delettion at all?!</p>
<p>The reason that i am suspecting is because of what happened to me recently. i tried to edit the page for the &#8220;peopel&#8217;s republic of china&#8221;. even today, that article does not have a single word about human rights and falun gong. i added those two items, immediatly a mainland chinese moderator deleted my contribution, then put that article into protection. i have added many similar contents in other articles. most of them have been deleted by those mainland chinese moderators.</p>
<p>when i tried to voice my suspision and my comments on those community forums, those moderators immediatly deleted them. then they banned me , accused me doing &#8220;vandalism?!&#8221;</p>
<p>with 29 chinese mainlander moderators, that site is basically controlled by the chinese spies sent by the communist party. they do not allow people to add anything that are bad about the chinese communist party. so here i am, I don&#8217;t know if this is the proper place to voice my opinion. i seriously think that someone should take a look into this matter.</p>
<p>&#8220;But on sensitive questions of China&#8217;s modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves.&#8221; [1] This indeed confirmed my suspicion.
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		<title>by: Andrew Lih &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chinese Wikipedia&#8217;s Surge in Growth</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-4075</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Here in the PRC, it has been four days since the block of Chinese Wikipedia (ZH) was fully lifted. All reports indicate it is indeed now accessible from everywhere in country. This is an improvement on the initial partial lifting of the block on 10/10. So I wondered - was there any way to check the effects of the block being lifted? A trip to the Wikipedia logs of new user registrations and new articles this morning shows a dramatic story. In short: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Here in the PRC, it has been four days since the block of Chinese Wikipedia (ZH) was fully lifted. All reports indicate it is indeed now accessible from everywhere in country. This is an improvement on the initial partial lifting of the block on 10/10. So I wondered - was there any way to check the effects of the block being lifted? A trip to the Wikipedia logs of new user registrations and new articles this morning shows a dramatic story. In short: [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Andrew Lih &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chinese Wikipedia now fully unblocked?</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-3906</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-3906</guid>
					<description>[...] According to many folks around China, the Chinese Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org) seems to be widely accessible in the last 24 hours. Previously, the English language and other Wikipedias were unblocked with still roughly 50% of folks not being able to access zh.wikipedia.org. (See chart) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] According to many folks around China, the Chinese Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org) seems to be widely accessible in the last 24 hours. Previously, the English language and other Wikipedias were unblocked with still roughly 50% of folks not being able to access zh.wikipedia.org. (See chart) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Venturesprout - &#187; China unblocks Wikipedia</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-3088</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.andrewlih.com/blog/2006/10/16/chart-wikipedia-access-in-china/#comment-3088</guid>
					<description>[...] UPDATE: Via ChinaHerald, and interesting post by Andrew Lih on how the unblocking actually happens&amp;#8230;shows that the Great Firewall while mandated top down, is implemented bottom up, actually very distributed and very provincial&amp;#8230;similar to most things in China. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] UPDATE: Via ChinaHerald, and interesting post by Andrew Lih on how the unblocking actually happens&#8230;shows that the Great Firewall while mandated top down, is implemented bottom up, actually very distributed and very provincial&#8230;similar to most things in China. [&#8230;]
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